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Subject:  FU3 Navigation Tutorial 1
Date:   Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:18:45 -0800
From: "Joseph Glosz" <jglosz@san.rr.com>
To:  <ianboys@easynet.co.uk>

I have a question ....
 
and my question is: do you actually fly for real? I do, and some of the things you say on your web page are nonsensical, such as "backbearings"   I've been flying for 20 years and haven't heard this term. Is this from an earlier era?
 
flying away from a VOR is harder than flying to one...  Exactly why is this so?
 
you mention "radio direction finding equipment" which is the term used a very long time ago, and is technically what NDBs are now. But it sounds like you are
referring to VOR receivers as "radio direction equipment" when it is not that at all. 
 
"our landing field has no radio"   Maybe you mean it has no tower?  The CTAF freq  is 122.8, and I'm pretty sure that someone on the field is monitoring that frequency and giving advisories.  Not the game, but in real life. 
 
You say: "It isn't so important on the way to the VOR but on the outbound leg we must know that we expect, for example, to fly over a promontory, so that if we don't we can correct our course in time"
 
flying outbound on a VOR is exactly as precise as flying inbound. When you fly a radial you fly in a perfectly straight line. Regardless of wind. No if's and's or but's about it.   Maybe you are confusing VOR's with homing in on an NDB.
 
You say "Climb to 2000 feet or so then level off with enough trim to keep your speed up."
 
Pilots do NOT use trim to "keep speed up"  We don't fly planes by trim. We set the attitude then trim for that attitude.  This tells me more than anything that you don't fly.
 
You say: "Using a straight edge I establish the bearing from the VOR to the destination. For the backbearing just add or subtract 180.  We now have to fly until we meet the 280 radial"
 
what the hell are you talking about here?  You don't need a straight-edge. It's published on all aviation charts. Apex is specifically on the SEA 286 degree radial, 22 nm away, and on the PAE 209 degree radial, 24 nm.
 
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All in all, reviewing some piece of software is one thing.  You shouldn't be telling people how to fly. Very misleading.
 


 
Subject: Re: FU3 Navigation Tutorial 1
Date:  Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:11:43 +0000
From: Ian Boys <ianboys@easynet.co.uk>
To: Joseph Glosz <jglosz@san.rr.com>

Dear Joseph,

Thank you for a challenging set of questions. Far more entertaining than the usual stuff.

1. Do I fly for real? I have flown in gliders and light aircraft, but only as a student. I am quite willing to accept that everyone else knows more than me. That said, the page is designed to help people fly/navigate in the game, not in real life. I do have quite a bit of sim experience.

2. Nonsensical? OK - let's start. Backbearing is an English term (perhaps not used in the USA, whence I assume you hail) that simply means a course 180 deg from another course. It may be unheard of in the USA (though I doubt it), but is common, for example, in the UK Army.

3. Why is flying away from a VOR harder than flying towards one? Because when flying to one if you are slightly off course it is very easy to adjust your course towards it. Flying away from it is harder because you are getting less exact the further you fly. One kilometre away a 2 degree margin of error means only 38 metres out, whereas 30 kilometres away you would be approx. 1040 metres off target.You may be able to fly very precisely, but the Trainer in the sim has no bearing autopilot and I find it hard to get within 1 degree of the course over the whole leg, still 512 metres off course over 30 km. Also, can you dial in EXACTLY 209 or 286 in the sim? 

4. You take issue with the term "radio direction finding equipment". I agree it is an old term. But it may help people who have never used one to realise what they are doing when they are pointed a VOR needle at a beacon. And in effect while the term may be old it isn't inaccurate. Sure, things have been added, like DME, but it is still basically RDF.

5. I said "our landing field has no radio". You advise me of real-life frequencies. Marvellous. No help at all in the game. So let's go back to "no radio".

6. You again state that flying outbound radials is the same as flying inbound ones. I refer you to (3) above. If you can fly in a perfectly straight line, well done. Can you do it in FU3 in the Trainer?

7. Ok, I know you don't use Trim to keep speed up. I meant that now you level off, you can trim forward and your speed will increase. So shoot me.

8. Regarding the straight edge - the UK version of the game (and probably the US version) don't come with aviation charts. You (by which I mean "I") have to make do with the on screen map. So I get a straight edge and .....

9. I am not telling people how to fly. Just how to fly in the game. If you can do better, write and illustate an article and I WILL post it

Looking fwd to that!

Ian